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顺民兄……遊行有多少人參加，我倾向信港大民調，即拾柒万。如果你認為CY成日吹牛唔好，咁点解民陣成日吹噓、作大參與遊行人数唔值得指正呢？ 又如果你都觉得特首參選資格不应有过高門檻，咁為何622投票中，我們只能在3个爛橙中三選一？
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示威人士和平理性，面對真相，但不面對現實，他們不向現實低頭，他們用雙腳表達訴求，如果香港法律自治精神都失去，香港一定變成廣東省一個小城市，外國人國內人來香港買樓，就是相信香港法治，保護国民財產。真假在人心中，香港人有獨立思想能力，大家看證據，不要下下說洗腦。
- 你怪不得香港人那麼怕，那些維權人士和律師都被拉了，他們一窮如洗都堅持。
- 不要説外國勢力，美國英國要乞中國人的錢都退後了
- 香港人自己行街，表達自己訴求, 是權利
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Oscar54321 |
| 2014-07-02 11:28 |
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就個人認為, 遊行應該係"表示".
但有不少有用心既人士, 將個"表示"當成"授權". 最慘係, 個權限係由個被授權人自已話事.
造就左宜家個局面: 我為民作主遊行, 要你差人開路就開路, 要佔領邊度就邊度, 要衝擊邊度就邊度. 打橫行, 比以前黑社會更惡.
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小陽C妹…… CY係偽君子、泛民係真小人、好多涼粉又唔夠班！ 总之三五成群、冇个好人。 請陳志C、涼敢從、蘭桂坊爸爸等出來振臂一呼，救万民於水火……
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Alan Pepper |
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| 2014-07-02 11:35 |
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To 19
Agreed
This morning a colleague told me they were there for animal rights. I hope they understand that even their intention was noble and innocent, their actions were used as a political weapon.
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蘭桂芳爸爸都被政府炒左。 肥媽做左太平紳士。 林𡚒強最大貢獻在香港50，而不是銀行，佢都係揾＄。
用人唯親，不怪得爸爸擔心香港未來。
民主黨做戲，民建聯冇知識，人民力量太暴力。Cy幫阿爺打工.
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80後打工仔 |
| 2014-07-02 11:47 |
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"轉寄來自移居美國的陳耀華教授夫人陳淑安女士 （香港教育學院名譽博士）郵件"?!?!?! 不如叫呢位陳女士返黎香港生活先寫啲咁有說服力既說話啦! 如果我宜家唔係香港生活,係外國住緊(唔貪心)千幾尺屋,我可以好大聲咁話,狼突所提倡既SSD2 DSD BSD係一項德政.香港人以後唔使好似97年時咁辛苦上車,好偉大! 如果我宜家唔係香港生活,係外國享受緊絕對文明社會的一切(當然唔包括犯法啦!)我可以好大聲咁講,你地啲香港人真係小氣.人地係路上大個便小個便者,又唔係係你屋企,做咩唔包容下呢?唔你地唔再好似以前咁有人情味啦! 有時隔山講風涼話好容易架.呀陳女士你返黎生活下,覺得真係唔捨得走你先係度指點江山啦!唔該! 利益申報,我尋日有上街.我有叫狼特下台(但我無講粗口).一個唔係民選的政府只會係我地呢啲打工仔辛辛苦苦揾返黎既生活費度攞錢去養班不事生產既人.想問各位前輩,點忍??我明白有好多團體抽水,但無計!如果個個都唔出黎,我地就會俾一班唔現身都可以抽到水既保皇人士話.無出黎果班係支持佢地既政策既大多數(頂!如果有法律界既朋友在睇呢個版,想請教可唔可以告佢地強姦我既意向??)如果係咁我寧願俾上左街既人士騎勢都唔願意俾呢班係度嘆緊冷氣,HI緊TEA,攞緊我錢既人強姦囉,起碼人地對家都有付出過汗水呀!
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Alan Pepper |
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| 2014-07-02 12:12 |
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Hello everyone
I'm sure all of us has something to complain the current government.
But the way Pan Democratic does things and 騎刧左我的意願 I will not support!
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蜕变中嘅懒人 |
| 2014-07-02 12:20 |
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懶人諗：要是中國內地即时民主化，即时大乱；香港即時全民主化選特首，即時大亂。 即时大乱，即時大亂；唔同寫法，唔同亂（乱）法而己。 中國內地短時間內不會亦不能民主化，因有自知之明；不能讓香港短時間內全民主化選特首，因有知人之明。 香港夜郎自大，妄圖使中國內地短時間內民主化，只因無知人之明；香港妄圖迫使中國同意讓自己即時全民主化選特首，因既無知人之明，亦無自知之明，可算是不知不明之作。
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亮劍兄，我對所謂普選呢樣嘢從未發表過任何意見及立場，所以你提出的問題恕不懂作答。我有資格且已登記成為選民，但從未投票過比任何人，因到目前為止仍未找到一個值得投票對象，但由於生活在香港，故不得不關注民生及經濟方面的事情而已。這也有一個好處，由於沒有預設及既定的政治偏向，這或許會使得一個人可以用旁觀者的身分去看事情，容易客觀一些，希望如是。講到經濟民生，歷史上有太多太多的例證，一個好的明君或官吏，自然會帶領社會享有一個國泰民安景象，而在一個昏君或無能官吏領導下的社會，就只會不斷動盪及民心不安。所以社會好壞，身為領導者是責無旁貸。以舊時社會而言，地方發生動盪，朝廷當然會首先鎮壓刁民平定局勢，之後就會處理有關負責官員，因無論如何領導官員是難辭其咎，輕則革職查辦，重則處斬。就係咁簡單。
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Alan Pepper |
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| 2014-07-02 12:36 |
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To: 27. 80後打工仔
I actually think "轉寄來自移居美國的陳耀華教授夫人陳淑安女士" is a fake article written with the intention to fan flames. I will not forward it myself.
But on the other hand please think about your actions yesterday. Yes your intentions are noble and just and you certainly have the right to express your views. But do you realize that your attendance yesterday was 騎刧'ed by Pan Democratic and Occupy Central groups, who doesn't care about you at all? In fact ultimately they support what you are against, to take your 辛辛苦苦揾返黎既生活費度攞錢去養班不事生產既人??
You may be referring to 議員 as 不事生產既人. But what about the hundreds of thousands of people who are taking government subsidies? Are they not 不事生產既人? Do you think your actions yesterday promote these kinds of activities?
From your writing I assume you hold a job and work very hard and contribute to society. Good for you and please keep this up. As far as paying taxes and 養班不事生產既人? Please realize that every government and every city has freeloaders whom you cannot avoid. But HK is still the lowest taxed city in the world and there are plenty of opportunities for people like you. You just have to work hard, work smart, be creative and persistent. These political leaders does not care about people like you. Please don't let them use you as a political weapon!
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To: 30/F |
| 2014-07-02 13:17 |
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I fully support 斬 CY Leung and 泛民議員 immediately, they only create trouble and problems to Hong Kong and no contribution at all!
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不能只擺姿勢 不求實際 |
| 2014-07-02 13:21 |
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執筆時，不在香港，尚未知悉七一遊行的具體情況，估計參與者決不會少。不過，即使今年的遊行人數未能破以往紀錄，以香港一個只有七百萬人口的城市，香港人參與社會事務的熱情亦可排在世界前列。 一個城市，能有這麼多人關心政治，可視作是一種進步。總好過大家對社會的事務漠不關心，任由少數野心家予取予攜。可惜，香港近年的政治運動，卻予人不成熟的感覺。運動的領導者，只著重擺姿態，卻沒有考慮如何具體地為市民取得實際權益。 以爭取普選為例，若以香港人的利益為重，我們應去爭取一套可以在香港具體落實的普選制度，而不是說出來好聽，理念上完美的制度。任何政治運動都受到時空的限制，否則全世界的制度早已一體化。 香港受制於一國兩制，任何政改方案，都得先由立法會通過，再由特首背書，才能呈交人大常委審議。這是由基本法提供的，香港進行政治改革的現成途徑。行現成途徑，風險最小，成本最低；否則就得由零開始，重新制訂最基本的遊戲規則，屆時只會引起更多的內部爭拗。 現時坊間主催的，以公民提名為必要條件的政改方案，中央已表態不會接受，本地的商界對此亦不認同，即使在民間，支持的意見也並非壓倒性的。因此，可以肯定，要推行這個方案，現成的途徑是行不通的。 然而，主催這個方案的人卻認為：中央的取態是可以不用理會的，本地溫和派的想法也是可以不用理會的，因為他們的意見是錯的，不符合國際標準的，所以，我們必須堅守原則，決不退讓。只要香港人齊心，我們就可以透過電子公投與佔領中環等方式，逼中央讓步。 國務院日前發表的白皮書，其實就是對激進派訴求的一種回應。中央既是香港政改的必然參與者，激進派若是現實一點的話，應先研究一下白皮書的內容，然後制訂應對策略，這才是有心為香港爭取民主的人應有的態度。 可是，我們的意見領袖是怎樣說的呢？「白皮書是靠嚇，香港人是由細嚇大的！」意思就是叫香港人不用理會，更應繼續抗爭。但要抗爭有成果，難道就不用有應對策略，單靠勇於表示堅守立場，就會有成果嗎？ 激進派領袖的這種口吻，無疑可以成功地刺激更多的民眾參與電子投票及遊行示威。但這只能夠起擺姿態的作用；中央的國際聲譽或許因而受損，但香港人並不會因此而換到甚麼實利。中央不會因激進派擺擺姿勢，就接受公民提名方案，弄得不好，香港人連一人一票選特首的機會也因而斷送。 現實政治總得有妥協，不可能一次過完成終極目標。宗教上的原教旨主義與政治上的完美主義，都是為人類帶來災難的罪魁禍首。斬件式的細部改革工程比烏托邦工程更容易成功。 (轉載自2014年7月2日am730C觀點)
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To:30/F |
| 2014-07-02 13:22 |
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I fully support 斬 CY Leung and 泛民議員 immediately, they only create trouble and problems to Hong Kong and no contribution at all!
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特別Like博士這篇文章！
也多謝7、8樓好文分享。
從昨天起小妹的FB頁面都完全被遊行相關的Post淹沒了，看見這麼多自己認識的人熱血地往遊行、甚至發表激烈的言論了，心裡感到鬱悶、也挺不安.....
正如19樓東師兄所說的，小妹也感不滿但遊行卻會被當成支持許多我反對的政策。 今天看這網，聽到有些相近的聲音，才感到安心些、踏實些。 多謝各位的分享。
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識得做嘢的人唔做，唔識做的爭住做。斬邊個由中央話事啦。
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C Y下台啦 |
| 2014-07-02 14:24 |
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作為特區最高長官，啲小朋友通宵等你返工你都唔喺鏡頭前吹水攞分，你唔使担心你自已喺六四的趙紫陽噃。
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To 37 |
| 2014-07-02 14:55 |
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你咪噏得出就噏喎, 老趙好似帶頭份搞出個大頭佛架喎.
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80後打工仔 |
| 2014-07-02 15:29 |
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To 31 Alan Pepper, Yes. I agree with you that those Pan Deom. are really rubbish. I hate them totally. Those guys are ensouring people, especially teens to get "JetSo" from the government, from our pockets. At the same time making HK as mess as possible and creating chances for themselve. 不事生產既人means those hundreds of thousands of people who are taking government subsidies! of course also those 議員. I hate Lee Chek Yan very much! I hate Long Hair very much!! So I think I have the similar stand as you. But besides those fucking(sorry that i say this word) 議員. Who i hate the most is CY. I have many friends are similar to me, starting to contribute the society, have little saving, staring to creat our own families. But the fucking(sorry again) CY stop all the chains! what we are doing is just working for the tax (even you say t is very low) and then contribute to those non working people. What will we have?? Nothing! not even a chance/hope to improve our own living standard! That's why i went on the street and let him know i dont like him. Yes, you are right. Maybe when i was walking on the street. I was being used. But what can i do? The representative from this forum does not establish yet. Dr Tong not yet speaking for us. Can you suggest any ways for me to express my anger to this CheatEO?? Sorry i dont mean to agrue with you, i just express my own anger to this government only. Hope you will not mis-understand with this. i like this forum, i spend a lot of time to learn here. But after those BSD DSD SSD, especially the restriction of the loan amount from Bank. I find that people like my situation is hopeless. Unlike you guys, you have a lot of bullets so you just need to wait for the chance. See what we have? nothing, my dad was just a worker. Who can i seek help? Anyway, thank you for your reply to my post. hope can keep communicating! have a nice day!
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To 39 |
| 2014-07-02 15:52 |
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之前在這裏講過, 冰封樓市交易, 盡量停止價格進一步上升, 讓(新一代 or 未有樓的人)收入水平追上來, 可能真的是沒有辦法中最好的辦法。 現在看來, 個人免稅額加上一萬退稅, 要交第一蚊稅, 收入大概是 287017, 兩公婆就是 574034, 怎麼說都不能說失禮吧. 年輕人, 練好武功等運到, 同法子哥一樣, 我都非常感謝家父讓我有白手興家的機會。唔係為 c9 開脫, 講事實同對自己人生有交代而矣。
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